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Getting out of debt - the beginning

Posted by Michael, 13 October 2008 · 63 views

Personal Finance
OK, so this is the first entry in my blog for this new Personal Finance category.  The idea behind this grew out of a discussion Nichole and I had after work on Friday night.

She and I, like many Americans, are pretty deeply in dept.  We each have student loans for our educations; she has about $90,000 and I have something like $46,000.  She has two Masters degrees and is working on her PhD right now, I just have the Bachelors but went to a much more expensive (but not necessarily better!) school.  We have many credit cards, none with an insane amount of money on them, but it's several thousand there all told.  We also have our mortgage on our old house which is being rented, and our mortgage on the current property (3 houses, 14 acres, horse boarding buildings, etc.).  The horse boarding business itself and the rent on the 2 houses on this property just pays the mortgage on that business, so for all intents and purposes we should consider all of that balancing out.  There are also lines of credit we have, one of which is up to $30,000.  We don't live in the lap of luxury, neither one of us has a new car, our house has no nice furniture in it, we don't have a lot of gadgets, etc., so it's not like we've gotten in dept by buying jet-skis on a whim or something silly like that.  Life is just very expensive, and stuff comes up that you have to throw large sums of money at every so often.  She and I both work for the State (as we both work at State Universities) so we have some retirement money coming there eventually, but that's all we have for our retirement; there's never enough money to actually set aside for that.

Frankly, with the way the economy has been lately, our condition scares us to death, and we're trying to come up with a plan to deal with our mounting debt.  I decided to create this blog category to track our progress, to maybe bounce ideas off of others, and maybe help give other people ideas on how to fix these problems they may be having.

One of our first goals is to sit down and figure out what all of our debts are.  The way we can best reduce these debts is by 'snowballing' payments to them.  The idea there is to pay off the individual debts with the lowest balance first, and then cancel that account.  While you are making large lump sum payments to those lower balance bills, you make minimum, or even less than minimum (as long as you pay something) payments to all the others each month.  As you pay off individual accounts, that becomes one less payment you have to make each month, giving you more to pay the others with, thus the snowball metaphor.

Another goal of ours to give us more money to play with is to see what expenses we can cut.  Do we really need cell phones and a house phone?  Can we get by without cable TV for a while?  Do we need the Blockbuster monthly membership?  These are sorts of things that if you can cut will give you more money to pay bills with.  So we just have to sit down and decide which of our expenses we can cut.

Once we have sat down and figured out all of our monthly expenses and what can be cut, and our total debts, I'll post a new entry detailing these numbers so we have the baseline to work from.  Wish us luck!




Good luck with sorting a plan out, although by the sounds of what you have written already, once you have it all laid out and you can see exactly what's going where, what to prioritize etc it should (hopefully) be more manageable :unsure:

I think this is a UK specific site really (I have heard of it a few times but not really looked) > http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ , but it might be worth a quick read, if nothing else it might give a few ideas etc.

And this I hear is a good one > http://creditboards.com (although I am not sure if it's what you want) :)
With regards to the repayments you should take a different approach.

1. If you have debts on credit cards shop around for another credit card that has a lower rate of interest (preferably 0% for a set period of time) and that supports Balance Transfers
http://en.wikipedia....alance_transfer
http://en.wikipedia....lance_transfers

2. After doing any balance transfers go through all of your debts and order them by interest rate from highest down to lowest. The ones with the highest interest rate should be your top priority as the faster you pay them off the less interest as a whole you are paying on your debt. Snowballing is good, but only if you get rid of the highest interest rate loans first.

For example:

Lets say you have a $5,000 Student Loan @ 10% APR, $15,000 CC Debt @ 19% APR, $2,000 Car Loan @ 7% APR

On each of them the minimum payment is 5% of the loan amount at the start of that year.

Interest at the end of year 1:
Student Loan: $5,000*0.10 = $500 per year
Credit Card: $15,000*0.19 = $2850 per year
Car Loan: $2000 * 0.07 = $140 per year

Thats a total interest of $3490 per year. And total minimum repayments of $1100 per year.

Min Payment Year 1:
Student Loan: $250
Credit Card: $750
Car Loan: $100

Total Min Repayment: $1,100

Total debt after year 1 (including min repayments being paid):
Student Loan: $5,250
Credit Card: $17,100
Car Loan: $2,040

Now lets say in a given year you can repay an extra $3,000 off any one of those debts. What follows are the various interest repayments amounts on the second year depending on where the $3,000 goes.

$3,000 to the Student Loan:
Debt at start of year two:
Student Loan: $2,250
Credit Card: $17,100
Car Loan: $2,040

Min Repayment:
Student Loan: $112.50
Credit Card: $855
Car Loan: $102

Interest on year two debt:
Student Loan: $225
Credit Card: $3,249
Car Loan: $142.80

Total Debt after interest is added and Min Repayment is paid:
Student Loan: $2362.50
Credit Card: $19,494
Car Loan: $2,080.80

Total Debt: $23,937.30

$3,000 to the Credit Card:
Debt at start of year two:
Student Loan: $5,250
Credit Card: $14,100
Car Loan: $2,040

Min Repayment:
Student Loan: $262.50
Credit Card: $705
Car Loan: $102

Interest on year two debt:
Student Loan: $525
Credit Card: $2,679
Car Loan: $142.80

Total Debt after interest is added and Min Repayment is paid:
Student Loan: $5512.50
Credit Card: $16074
Car Loan: $2,080.80

Total Debt: $23,667.30

$3,000 to the Car Loan & CC:
Debt at start of year two:
Student Loan: $5,250
Credit Card: $16,140
Car Loan: $0

Min Repayment:
Student Loan: $262.50
Credit Card: $807
Car Loan: $0

Interest on year two debt:
Student Loan: $525
Credit Card: $3,066.60
Car Loan: $0

Total Debt after interest is added and Min Repayment is paid:
Student Loan: $5512.50
Credit Card: $18399.60
Car Loan: $0

Total Debt: $23,912.10

$3,000 to the Car Loan & Student Loan:
Debt at start of year two:
Student Loan: $4,290
Credit Card: $17,100
Car Loan: $0

Min Repayment:
Student Loan: $214.50
Credit Card: $855
Car Loan: $0

Interest on year two debt:
Student Loan: $429
Credit Card: $3,429
Car Loan: $0

Total Debt after interest is added and Min Repayment is paid:
Student Loan: $4504.50
Credit Card: $19494
Car Loan: $0

Total Debt: $23,998.50


Totals:
$3,000 to the Student Loan:
Debt: $23,937.30
Cash available at end of year two for additional payment: $3,030.50

$3,000 to the Credit Card:
Debt: 23,667.30
Cash available at end of year two for additional payment: $3,030.50

$3,000 to the Car Loan & Credit Card:
Debt: 23,912.10
Cash available at end of year two for additional payment: $3,030.50

$3,000 to the Car Loan & Student Loan:
Debt: 23,998.50
Cash available at end of year two for additional payment: $3,030.50

All of the options decrease the minimum repayments by the same amount (and thus increase the money available to pay extra off one of your debts). Thus the only figure that matters here is which decreases your total debt by the most. As you can see $3,000 to the Credit Card is the best option of reducing your total debt.

tl;dr pay off the debt with the highest rate of interest first.

3. Being loyal to whichever bank you are currently with is costing you lots of money. At least once a year you should look around in the marketplace and see whats available. If there are offers that are better than what you currently have with your bank then ring up your bank manager and ask them to match the offers you have found. If they say no...move banks. This works more than you'd think as Banks make a large portion of their income off of people who "stay loyal" to the bank. Use this experience to start building up a relationship with your Bank Manager (or with the manager of your new bank should you decide to move).

4. I have a book somewhere written by an economist, which has a couple of chapters specifically dealing with the issue of refinancing, that i can dig out to give you some more specific advice in this regard.
Yes, I'm familiar with that concept, and it's what we've been doing, and it's not getting us anywhere.  Also, we're not going to try and get any new credit sources, even if we can get o% interest for a short period of time.  With the amount of debt we already have, it's hard for us to get any more credit, we've tried.
It will get your debt reduced a lot faster than paying off the debts with the lowest amounts first. In that example its an extra $240 to $300 odd more money per year you are saving by paying off the higher interest credit sources first. While seeing sources of debt disappear is always nice, if you are paying off lower interest rate loans off first you are actually losing money compared to the situation where you pay off the higher interest rate loans first.

If you are paying off $5k extra a year the savings are greater again.

Additionally you wouldn't be looking for more credit...you'd be looking to move the credit from one source to another. The total credit amount you have stays the same. Who you owe it to just changes.
Your step 1 said to look for more credit sources.  With the way the banks have been lately, and our current debt load, that's simply not going to work.  And we have been trying to focus on the highest interest rate accounts first for the past 5 years, we're not getting anywhere.  Yes, it makes sense in theory, but unfortunately I can tell you from actual experience that it doesn't work in the real world.  That's why we're trying something new.
I'd actually not intended it to be a step by step guide, merely a summary of financial knowledge that is debt related. They are meant to be a do something if you can approach as opposed to anything else.

I've been servicing two separate loans for the past number of years now (Student Debts) and i can assure you the method i posted does work in practice (i've tried both of the methods). If you want to see your debt decrease as fast as possible repay the one with the highest rate of interest first. I've done it and it does work. (I have an excel sheet that i can pm to you which will help you plan out your debt repayment for the year and it will also allow you to compare between the two repayment methods)

Also talk to your branch manager and see if you can renegotiate the debt with the highest interest rate down to a lower one. Yes the banking situation recently has been rather dire, but at the end of the day the banks want you to repay the debt to them, particularly in times like these.

Finally with regard to credit cards in particular the following site is a good one:
http://www.explainmycreditcard.com/
How much longer have you got on that first mortgage? With the rent coming in, once that gets paid off, that should be a nice source of income for you.
Oh, something like 25 years. B)

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