Jump to content


- - - - -

The future of Invision Modding


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
26 replies to this topic

#1 Invision Modding News

Invision Modding News

    Member

  • Support Staff
  • PipPipPip
  • 22 posts
  • IPB Version:N/A

Posted 22 October 2011 - 07:02 PM

Its with some regret we need to think about this sites future role.

Over the past few months, we've noticed a significant drop in activity and also a large increase in those without a licensed forum attempting to use this site too. Although the odd one will always happen, it does seem on the increase of late.

The time has come to re-evaluate this sites future, if it still has one. We all want the best for our own sites, and this sites aim is to help others do that too. We did consider closing it but have stayed off that decision for a while we obtain thoughts from our community and what they would like to see here.

Your thoughts and comments are appreciated. :)

#2 iBotPeaches

iBotPeaches

    Novice

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 6 posts
  • Location:Kansas
  • Real Name:Connor
  • IPB Version:v3.2.x

Posted 23 October 2011 - 10:06 PM

I don't know enough about this site, but I immediately left it and joined Invision Focus when Michael left. I honestly don't know who "owns" it now, but I wouldn't mind if it closed down because I go elsewhere.  This site was quite the place to go though in its point of success.


EDIT: Though, that is a big userbase to just let go. If I owned it, I don't think I could let it go. So never mind. Don't value my opinion.

Edited by iBotPeaches, 23 October 2011 - 10:08 PM.


#3 HighTechModz Forums

HighTechModz Forums

    Member

  • Banned
  • PipPipPip
  • 36 posts
  • Real Name:Carlos Spicey Weiner
  • IPB Version:v3.1.x

Posted 23 October 2011 - 10:52 PM

you guys just need alittle skin update, thats all :D. thats what i did with mine when it was on a downslope and now my site has more activity then ever! also never close this site down. EVER ;)

#4 peterc

peterc

    Novice

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 12 posts
  • IPB Version:v3.0.x

Posted 23 October 2011 - 11:34 PM

I have notice Facebook and other social media outlets took a lot away from my forum, its very interesting seeing behavior of forum members throughout the years.

Maybe you guys can add something here that will attract members to stay like an arcade?

#5 HighTechModz Forums

HighTechModz Forums

    Member

  • Banned
  • PipPipPip
  • 36 posts
  • Real Name:Carlos Spicey Weiner
  • IPB Version:v3.1.x

Posted 24 October 2011 - 12:27 AM

View Postpeterc, on 23 October 2011 - 11:34 PM, said:

I have notice Facebook and other social media outlets took a lot away from my forum, its very interesting seeing behavior of forum members throughout the years.

Maybe you guys can add something here that will attract members to stay like an arcade?
arcardes only hold people too a site for so long. trust me

#6 peterc

peterc

    Novice

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 12 posts
  • IPB Version:v3.0.x

Posted 24 October 2011 - 01:01 AM

I know I have one,but I only have 72 members,this place has 50k if I am not mistaken. I think in this day and age,forums must be multi subjects and topics.

I have a private forum where we talk about office equipment,but I have latest news and sports,music and many other topics,it gets more of a social atmosphere but I only have 72 members and average 125 post a day. I work my ass off to keep things fresh and active or people just leave.

not any easy gig

#7 HighTechModz Forums

HighTechModz Forums

    Member

  • Banned
  • PipPipPip
  • 36 posts
  • Real Name:Carlos Spicey Weiner
  • IPB Version:v3.1.x

Posted 24 October 2011 - 01:24 AM

View Postpeterc, on 24 October 2011 - 01:01 AM, said:

I know I have one,but I only have 72 members,this place has 50k if I am not mistaken. I think in this day and age,forums must be multi subjects and topics.

I have a private forum where we talk about office equipment,but I have latest news and sports,music and many other topics,it gets more of a social atmosphere but I only have 72 members and average 125 post a day. I work my ass off to keep things fresh and active or people just leave.

not any easy gig
i know how you feel. when i had my downtime (for 3 months) we would get 12 posts a week. that was just from me.

#8 Bitter

Bitter

    Final Prestige, LLC Owner

  • Support Staff
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,687 posts
  • Location:Connecticut
  • Real Name:Dustin Schriffert
  • IPB Version:v3.3.x

Posted 24 October 2011 - 04:13 AM

I think updating to IPB 3.2 would be a nice first step, and then maybe adding some new staff who are inspired and dedicated and most importantly, trustworthy. We used to be the most reliable for helping people with their problems on IP.Board.

I'm ready to update the IM skin for 3.2, just waiting on word from the rest of the staff.

I think we could brainstorm some new ideas for increasing traffic. I think if we get more mod authors and skinners to submit files here, people will come for resources.


We have such a large userbase, that it would be difficult to just drop it all. I would hope we could at least try some ways to bring IM back to life before giving up. I'm all in for doing anything possible for helping to keep things going. IM means a lot to me and I really loved being welcomed here years ago when I joined, and I really appreciate the staff and community. There's a real sense of nostalgia when I look back at IM and how far it's come over the years. It would be amazing to see it come back to life.

Posted Image


#9 ineedadate

ineedadate

    Coder

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 211 posts
  • IPB Version:v3.1.x
Contributor

Posted 24 October 2011 - 06:54 AM

The reason I signed up on the site is because it had different help than the official forum. It seemed more like a community than IPS, which just feels like a mess of people.

I do hate seeing people sign up on the site asking for help, and knowing that half of them have pirated IPB, ripped skins, etc.; but that will come with any IPB support site that's not the official IPS forum. I don't want to see this site go down, because this is one of the few sites that enforces anti-piracy. If this site goes down, hundreds/thousands of people will just go to the handful of other sites that openly support hacks, ripping, pirates, etc..

#10 Adriano Faria

Adriano Faria

    ...a curious guy...

  • Modders
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,268 posts
  • Location:Brazil
  • Real Name:Adriano
  • IPB Version:v3.3.x
Contributor

Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:03 AM

Well, IMO update the board is the very first step.

Second, piracy is a problem for IPS; not for this or for my site. I do what I should do: report. Of course, I ban many people, specially those who remove copyright or share IP.Board/Apps and paid stuff (mods/hooks/apps/skin).

IM is (was) a reference for me since I started to code with Michael, Sean and Martin tips and help. I really think IM (admin and staff) needs to post new stuff, new hooks, skins...

Maybe create a public forum to teach people how to code and make their hooks/apps. We need new people around, specially those who offer their job for free. Community needs to grow!

#11 Mikey B

Mikey B

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 20 posts
  • Location:United Kingdom
  • Real Name:Mikey
  • IPB Version:v3.2.x

Posted 24 October 2011 - 11:50 AM

I like IM. The atmosphere here is great and a lot more friendly than of the official forums. I've gotten a lot more help here than I ever have at any of the other IP.Board sites, official or not.

Updating the board is a good idea, but it's all about content too. As someone before me said, add more hooks and applications. Easier said than done I know, but an active content flow will help get you a boost maybe.

Just want to comment on the arcade idea, though: I don't think that this type of site is the same type of site that can get away with having an arcade, really. An arcade wouldn't be relevant to the subject matter at all :P

#12 Musalman

Musalman

    Analyzer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 526 posts
  • Location:Pakistan
  • Real Name:Intasar
  • IPB Version:v2.3.x
Contributor

Posted 24 October 2011 - 06:08 PM

In my opinion, Invisionmodding is the only website that have large numbers of Resolved issue's after IPS. that are accessible to any one through this site and Google. so if you analyze the activity, you must be also count the Maturity of this site with 100% quality solutions.

The only thing i seen here is to less activity of admins, management and the moderators. because of the team persons have their own business online.

I just simplify two my opinion here, if the owner have financial problem to live this website so simply contact with IPS. and ask them for sponsorship or reward for helping and support there software from years. hope they response back in manners with cooperative way.

If the owner don't have any financial problem to live this site. so simply assign a new team of active persons. who keep identify piracy persons and banned them and neat clean the forum. but they must have some basic knowledge about the IPS applications.

I also dedicate my little time service to this site if the site owner's want. just for this site Long life and helping to peoples and keep attaching with IP.board.

But the closing is not the fixing, if you close this site, so i consider this topic unresolved.

Edited by Musalman, 24 October 2011 - 06:10 PM.


#13 Makaaveli

Makaaveli

    Post-aholic

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 579 posts
  • Real Name:Anthony
  • IPB Version:v3.2.x

Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:15 PM

I seriously hope this doesn't happen, this place has/had many legendary modder. As the others suggested, maybe an upgrade would help.

#14 Bitter

Bitter

    Final Prestige, LLC Owner

  • Support Staff
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,687 posts
  • Location:Connecticut
  • Real Name:Dustin Schriffert
  • IPB Version:v3.3.x

Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:35 PM

I agree with Musalman. If it really comes down to closing the site, I'd absolutely step in to try to get some of us together to take over just to keep things alive and revamp it ourselves. I would never consider closing IM as a good solution. Anything necessary to keep IM alive.

Posted Image


#15 Sandi

Sandi

    Coder

  • IM Supporters
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 812 posts
  • Location:Janesville, Wisconsin
  • Real Name:Sandra
  • IPB Version:v3.2.x
Contributor

Posted 25 October 2011 - 09:24 AM

It would be a shame to see this site go. I  visit at least once a day along with a few others.

However the Invision Modding skin has to go. Ugh!

Posted Image


#16 Michael

Michael

    See code 431.322.12 of the Internet Privacy Act

  • Modders
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 22,042 posts
  • Location:Columbus, OH
  • Real Name:Michael McCune
  • IPB Version:v3.1.x
Contributor

Posted 25 October 2011 - 03:17 PM

I'd hate to see this site closed down, it'd be like a parent seeing their kid killed.  OK, maybe that was a little over the top, but it's the same idea. :flowers:

This site is seeing the same sort of thing that brought IZE down: when a site is well known enough, it becomes the go-to place for lots of folks, including the pirates.  Since registration here is free, and you can download stuff for free, those who think they are entitled to everything for free know it as a place to get products others have created so they can use them to draw members to their own site.

Piracy is never going to stop.  There's a certain segment of the population out there that has this "I can download it, thus I should be allowed to download it scot-free" attitude, and you're never going to convince them otherwise.  I worked tirelessly for many months trying to combat this, but it's no use.  Any effort spent trying to stop pirates is effort you take away from providing a good service to those who truly appreciate your work.  In this day and age, there's just little to no consequence for piracy, so some people are going to take the easy route instead of the right one.

That being said, what then do we as people who produce products in the market do?  Is the concept of a third-party resource site for IP.Board even viable anymore, what with there being most of this stuff already over at the IPS Marketplace, available only to those who have active support licenses, and thus while not guaranteed to be trustworthy customers, at least a lot more likely?

The way I've run my site is this: I don't go out of my way to seek out and ban pirates, but I will ban and report them when I find them.  I spend my time working on my stuff, and trying to make my site something you can't get at a warez site: a place where you can get advice from someone who really knows what they're talking about instead of someone who just put someone else's work up on RapidShare.  I'm not saying this is the right way, or what IM should be doing, but I feel this is the best use of my time.

I think that any decision about this site's future has to take this piracy issue into consideration.  That, to me, is the biggest thorn in the side of all of us resource authors.  Accepting that there are an awful lot of software pirates out there, how does a site like deal respond to it?  Is it worth it to go gung-ho and hunt out everyone?  Is it irresponsible to do nothing?  Surely the answer has to be somewhere in the middle there, but how does one make a good site for those that deserve it, and discourage those that will abuse it?

Yes, yes, I'm rambling, I know.  My point is this: No matter what is done, there will be people pirating stuff from here.  Doing too much to stop this just hurts those who would use this site legitimately.  I don't think it's worth it to make everyone jump through hoops just to catch the bad guys.  To make this site successful, just do what you can to make it a good place for those you want to be here.

My recommendations would be to upgrade the site (obviously), possibly get a new skin (doesn't have to be unique, just something clean and professional), and work on content.  The thing about a site like this, is that people are coming here looking for a specific thing in most cases.  Once they have that thing, whether it be a mod, a skin, an answer to a question, etc., most will leave.  A few will stick around and make this their go-to place.  Cater to those people.
Michael McCune - IPS Marketplace Moderator

My Stuff: My Forum · My Resources · My Tutorials
Contact Me: Email · Facebook · Twitter

#17 Martin

Martin

    But but, it's not only only!

  • Management
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,081 posts
  • Location:Hammerfest, Norway
  • Real Name:Martin Aronsen
  • IPB Version:v3.2.x
Contributor

Posted 26 October 2011 - 08:54 PM

I want to post this and thank you all for your opinions, both positive and negative. We have started an internal discussion on what we want to do to get this board back to where it was in its prime time.
When we're done with that we'll post a more detailed post, or topic, with our plans for the immediate future.


Mainly posts this to let you know that we do read all your replies, even though we haven't commented on any of them.

#18 merk51

merk51

    n00b

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 2 posts
  • Real Name:Brendon
  • IPB Version:v3.0.x

Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:12 AM

Okay I am relatively new here - and I know that because of that my comments and/or opinions are worthless and don't mean anything but thought I would make a post anyway.

I think the first and most important step is to upgrade the board to 3.2. Being an Invision Board that is aimed at helping IPS customers coming to this site and seeing it using an old version doesn't give them a lot of confidence that you are able to help is we have issues with 3.2 - I don't know if it is psychological or not but just the fact you aren't running the latest forum software kinda gives off the impression that if we needed help with a certain thing that the chances of getting help are slim seem you aren't using it.

In addition to this most modders have taken their modifications and gone elsewhere, started their own site or have joined together - take invisionfocus for example. The other thing is that almost every site now has the same modifications - don't get me wrong I love them but when you look at this site then something like invisionfocus a lot of the same modifications are available and so when you add this to the fact that you haven't upgraded I think most will turn to a site that is upgraded for assistance and get their modifications from the same site while they are there.

I think it could be beneficial to IM.com to run a competition for the modders - where they create modifications ONLY to be released here at IM and nowhere else (if they appear anywhere else they are immediately disqualified from the competition) in which it is a major modification (adding something awesome to the functionality to the board and not just a basic hook to add a certain function) where it will be released for free here (if you charge people wont tell the difference between here and IPS Marketplace) so they need to be available for free in which the modders win 1st place - $500 - 2nd place - $250 or 3rd place $100 or something like that.

Have the community vote for it over the course of a month. And even set up a section where modders can ask for ideas, or community members can post ideas of what the modders should look at doing.

This will bring modders back in an attempt to win some cash, would bring members back to get their free mods (maybe even make it a requirement to have 10 posts before you can get them or something) and would create discussion and a buzz with people able to make suggestions to modders, and modders asking for suggestions or details on their modifications.

As I said these are just a couple ideas which would probably be taken with a grain of salt however thought it was worth posting. If the decision is made to close please contact me as I would be willing to purchase it (all staff can stay in their roles if they want) and I would introduce the above competitions and tutorials on how to code, design etc.

All the best

#19 Pete T

Pete T

    IP.Board Owner

  • Modders
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,031 posts
  • Location:Bristol, UK
  • Real Name:Pete Treanor
  • IPB Version:v3.3.x
Contributor

Posted 06 November 2011 - 09:13 PM

Keep forum open, you need upgrade to 3.2.x and need get active staff on and need be fresh again, stand out from the many sites that open quick. But let the many true coders that upload apps or skinners feel welcome to post items paid/or free and not just staff.

If feel to many warez members join the site then start clapping down get a team that checks for new members and only allow license holds to download yes sounds like what done to my own site but it works.

Posted Image


Coming Soon



Motorhome Today


#20 najaru

najaru

    Programmer

  • Modders
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 395 posts
  • Real Name:Andrea
  • IPB Version:v3.0.x
Contributor

Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:31 AM

I hope IM can remain open.
I think it might be important to be able to create one or two exclusive  applications  to redistribuite
Posted Image
If you need custom modification on Skin or IP.Content, PM me

Use +1Rep Posted Image Plese Posted Image







Recent blog entries on this topic

Photo

The future of Invision Modding

By Invision Modding News in Invision Modding News, on 23 October 2011 - 09:39 PM

Its with some regret we need to think about this sites future role.

Over the past few months, we've noticed a significant drop in activity and also a large increase in those without a licensed forum attempting to use this site too. Although the odd one will always happen, it does seem on the increase of late.

The time has come to re-evaluate this...

Read Full Entry →

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users