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[Newman1992]

I am a mod developer/creator for ipb 1,3 can a mod let me get access to post tutorials in there? I wont be releasing mods, just simple tutorials/etc

Edited by Newman1992, 13 November 2011 - 07:33 AM.

[Martin]

IP.Board 1.3, 2.0 and 2.1 are not versions we support, and thus we do not allow new submissions for these versions.

[Newman1992]

Martin, on 13 November 2011 - 09:30 AM, said:

IP.Board 1.3, 2.0 and 2.1 are not versions we support, and thus we do not allow new submissions for these versions.

Then delete the section for ipb 1.3... why did I just waste my time here then? Invision Power board 1.3 is the best one out of all of them.  Should remove that section then if you don't want me to post mods on your forums, pretty pointless eh?  Why even have the forum for them? pretty misleading

Also, at your statement, "Cause we don't support them" I can't release simple tutorials? Makes clearly no sense at all.

Edited by Newman1992, 13 November 2011 - 12:14 PM.

[AndyF]

They've been end of life for a very, very long time now.

We did consider removing each version as it 'expired' however setting them to a read only area retains the information for any future reference if someone wanted to see how to do x etc, we just do not accept new submissions for such versions now. , I am sorry if its caused you any inconvenience.

1.3.x especially either requires very old server versions (php etc) to run properly or substantial patching for php5 and security issues too. FWIW: I do like 1.3 but its just too old now, potentially full of holes and difficult to run on a modern server.

FWIW: 3.0.x has been end of life for a few months too, not to mention the 2.3.x series but we still have those 'open' for a bit, we're not quick at closing them off as soon as they expire.

Edited by AndyF, 13 November 2011 - 12:19 PM.

[Newman1992]

AndyF, on 13 November 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

They've been end of life for a very, very long time now.

We did consider removing each version as it 'expired' however setting them to a read only area retains the information for any future reference if someone wanted to see how to do x etc, we just do not accept new submissions for such versions now. , I am sorry if its caused you any inconvenience.

1.3.x especially either requires very old server versions (php etc) to run properly or substantial patching for php5 and security issues too. FWIW: I do like 1.3 but its just too old now, potentially full of holes and difficult to run on a modern server.

FWIW: 3.0.x has been end of life for a few months too, not to mention the 2.3.x series but we still have those 'open' for a bit, we're not quick at closing them off as soon as they expire.

False, IPB 1.3 is far better and can do anything 3.0+ or any 2.0 version can.  The patches at IBFOREN.de help with the php 5 compatibility.. I am running the newest php on my server, and it runs fines.  It makes me feel sick that people threw away the support for ipb 1.3.1 final, It's a breathtaking forum software, that simply blows any other system away, (made in it's time). In performance also... I mean comon, i've has clients who was using 3.0+ on a shared hosting.. couldn't last a week because of server load, remember forum software is not a social networking platform, that is what IPB 3.0 is trying to do, it just simply wont happen.  Stick to the root of 1.3.1 it's the basic of what a forum is supposed to be.  Modify it yourself, it's so easy and fun.  And alot more easier then any other version that's for sure...  

Sorry for the rant, but you guys are the last site that is active with IPB members and throwing down ipb 1.3 under the boss like the previous replies above just makes me sick..  Hope you can see some light and re-open the tutorial section or do something, Thank you

+The patches at ibforen fix 99.99% of the security issues also, so it's not right when you say it's a buggy system it's clearly just the same security "Wise" as any other forum software.

Edited by Newman1992, 13 November 2011 - 02:38 PM.

[Martin]

The reason I said we don't allow new submissions regarding these ancient versions is simply because none of our staff members can properly support them. We just can not have an open forum full of unread/unanswered topics, because none of us are familiar with it, or how forgotten how things work as years have passed.
As you say yourself, ibforen.de provides a patch that supposedly work, why don't you 1.3 users go there for your support need too? The 1.3 forums have been closed since June 2008, btw. And you are the first that I know of to request that we open it again.

And no, 1.3.1 is in no way easier to modify that the 3.0 series. Just thinking back on how the upgrade instructions used to look (and not to mention the time it took to write it) gives me the chills.

[Newman1992]

Martin, on 13 November 2011 - 11:23 PM, said:

The reason I said we don't allow new submissions regarding these ancient versions is simply because none of our staff members can properly support them. We just can not have an open forum full of unread/unanswered topics, because none of us are familiar with it, or how forgotten how things work as years have passed.
As you say yourself, ibforen.de provides a patch that supposedly work, why don't you 1.3 users go there for your support need too? The 1.3 forums have been closed since June 2008, btw. And you are the first that I know of to request that we open it again.

And no, 1.3.1 is in no way easier to modify that the 3.0 series. Just thinking back on how the upgrade instructions used to look (and not to mention the time it took to write it) gives me the chills.

Again, I think we might differentiate in opinions... but IPB 1.3 is FAR easier to "edit" and make changes then any ipb 2.0+ version.  It's really just a opinion, we can go back and forth on it, but I am a firm believer 1.3 is far by the best.  IBFOREN is a good place to go though, but the community is NOT very "english" if you will.  They are german so it's hard to communicate, that's why I posted here.  

I have mods that I have for ipb 1.3, that I have created, that will (no pun) but will blow away any 2.0 or 3.0+ system in the water.... Security wise, patch wise... and feature wise... Sadly 1.3 could be a revelation if this forum supported it, a Place for me to release new mods/etc, but I guess unfortunately I can't stroke my (e-peen) if you will (Releasing mods here) and help out other 1.3 members... so I guess I will keep all the mods to myself... Im going to be tracking what you guys said about 1.3.. lol

Also, look at big-boards.com they got 2-5forums up there that use 1.3 that has over 2,000 users online (stock modified ipb 1.3) that work just fine, no security issues and blatantly still alot faster then any forum software that has been released in the past 8years that's for sure.


The problem is...how do you want new people using 3.2 to get there site online? Purchase a VPS/Dedicated server when they got 15 active members? Just because of the performance issue with 3.0 and 2.0 you would need a VPS/DEDICATED just to START! that's outright retarded! Ipb 1.3 can run on a good shared that u can pay 2-5$/month for easily 40-200 users online 24/7, (if you got good optimization and caching) not only does it safe you money, it lets you grow in the server world aswell, by upgrading to a VPS when you hit 150users instead of upgrading to a VPS on a ipb 3.0+ board when u hit 30+ online, (cause of cpu resource)

Don't tell me you can run 3.0+ on a shared with 20-30 active users before your host suspends your account because of HIGH CPU usage....

Edited by Newman1992, 14 November 2011 - 06:38 AM.

[Pete T]

You can run 3.2.x on Shared hosting account any day the week i done it before and i do it again never had my account suspended now i run a server because i like more control and only because that issue.

[Martin]

We used to run 3.1 on a shared host, but changed to a VPS in January for the same reason as Pete. More control, and ability to host several sites on it at no additional cost.

[perry470]

AndyF, on 13 November 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

1.3.x especially either requires very old server versions (php etc) to run properly or substantial patching for php5 and security issues too. FWIW: I do like 1.3 but its just too old now, potentially full of holes and difficult to run on a modern server.

You made it sound like it's a hard task to retrofit 1.3.x with current PHP & MySQL version compatibility. Most of the time, it's just old built-in functions being deprecated or slight syntax change when a new version of PHP rolls out. Studying the fatal errors and researching them usually help you fix it right away and you learn so much more in the process. I've been working with 1.3.x since it first came out late 2003 and was using IB 1.0.1 since 2002. I have developed countless modifications where I took inspiration from 2.x. I wanted to make sure 1.3.x was getting quality features upgrades. I have also patched many security holes myself. (No, not the one floating on the net. There are many smaller holes that tutorial didn't cover) It really develops a sentimental value over time.

I have to admit, 1.3.x is not for someone who just want to pop the software in and use it. It takes a dedicated mind to work with it and the end result is far better than any of the web app forum software these days. It remains to be lightweight unlike 3.x where you have to load tons of external libraries. Don't even get me started with the YSlow and the PageSpeed score for 3.x, it is simply horrendous even after it's been cached.

Bottom line, 1.3.x is not some obsolete software with full of holes like you guys made it out to be. You just have to know the codes well enough to defend it from exploit. I also have two forums on a VPS with only 300MB RAM. Both of the forums are 1.3.x and the VPS easily serve 150 connections without a sweat. Everything load under a second (except for external images like people's sigs, of course.) YSlow and PageSpeed score are both over 95/100.

Edited by perry470, 14 November 2011 - 07:28 PM.

[AndyF]

Last time I looked (correct me if I'm wrong) the patches on IBForen for 1.3 were two readme.htm files, I seem to recall they had about 100 file edits in them. I am going from memory a few years back...

[Newman1992]

AndyF, on 14 November 2011 - 08:13 PM, said:

Last time I looked (correct me if I'm wrong) the patches on IBForen for 1.3 were two readme.htm files, I seem to recall they had about 100 file edits in them. I am going from memory a few years back...

There is a mod installer (automated one) I think you should go re-look


I agree with perry also.

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You can run 3.2.x on Shared hosting account any day the week i done it before and i do it again never had my account suspended now i run a server because i like more control and only because that issue.

False, how many active "users" do you have? (online 24/7) not counting those people that come online and check the site out for 2minutes twice a Day.

What do you mean more control? You have just as much control as in IPB 1.3, persay 3.2? do you not?

EDIT: I'd also like to point out, if you're the only person on that shared hosting account it's pretty much a free dedicated server, unless you're paying 20$/month for a nice shared hosting, it might be possible, but I'd get a cheap vps for 20$/month that's for sure.

Edited by Newman1992, 14 November 2011 - 08:45 PM.

[Pete T]

Shared Hosting is controlled via can't increase your memory limit or your php version on dedicated server you control the software from php to MySQL to if goes down you can return back up using ssh.

1.3.1  was good once long time ago but you have to edit file on file but with 3.2.x you upload hook or app and that done i had 7 forums on a shared account i never in my life seen board been suspended because of your claims unless the hosting provider has limit on resources and if that case i would not be using them.

If was going choose version i like of ipb would be 2.0.x much more better admin control panel and settings and style 1.3.1 is not great its to old now it was used so much because was free and still is free, was even used on invisionfree but they customer it.

You claim to like coding 1.3.1 but why have not updated 2.0.x or 3.2.x and join many coders that create good apps for people to enjoy if you have fix the issue with 1.3.1 then good but let see the proof your work !! Also many use on the forum have enjoyed the past version but have moved on to enjoy the latest software because we like the next challenge.

"The not about if only user the server is untrue its currently hosting many forums and web sites few that i own and others clients own"

[Newman1992]

Pete T, on 14 November 2011 - 11:08 PM, said:

Shared Hosting is controlled via can't increase your memory limit or your php version on dedicated server you control the software from php to MySQL to if goes down you can return back up using ssh.

1.3.1  was good once long time ago but you have to edit file on file but with 3.2.x you upload hook or app and that done i had 7 forums on a shared account i never in my life seen board been suspended because of your claims unless the hosting provider has limit on resources and if that case i would not be using them.

If was going choose version i like of ipb would be 2.0.x much more better admin control panel and settings and style 1.3.1 is not great its to old now it was used so much because was free and still is free, was even used on invisionfree but they customer it.

You claim to like coding 1.3.1 but why have not updated 2.0.x or 3.2.x and join many coders that create good apps for people to enjoy if you have fix the issue with 1.3.1 then good but let see the proof your work !! Also many use on the forum have enjoyed the past version but have moved on to enjoy the latest software because we like the next challenge.

"The not about if only user the server is untrue its currently hosting many forums and web sites few that i own and others clients own"

Lol, you will see my "proof" of work, I have a full featured Gold management System with integrated Paypal API, (users can donate via paypal for "forum Gold" and it's sent to there account automatically, if paypal/customers shipping addressed is verified/etc.  I have re optimized the skinning, deleted ibf_templates so it's not called every freaking page,  I am doing the same with ibf_emoticons, deleted that and optimized that settings now they are controlled in a array in conf_global that passes into post_parser.php.  (alot faster then calling ibf_emoticons each time somone edit posts/etc.  That's just the tip of the iceburg, I changed abunch of other goodies around, like how the system selects * IBF_members each page, when you're only need certain variables.  You do not need to select *.  Gold system has gold logs, (quick send Gold on topic view).  You can use the gold to make topic titles bold/italic/red/any customer color for XX amount of Forum Gold.  You can also use the gold to change your username with the neww css3 text shadow feature (Customize the hell out of your name)  (can edit amount of fg per post in ADMINCP) fixed abunch of security issues (IBFOREN fixes most).  Also created a Donor Star module, where users who donated $$ to get "forum gold" or if they have donated to help the site, they have a full control panel on what stars to select. (Show up next to there username across the board)  And what stars they have access to, (Depends on the amount of $$ donated)

And abunch of other goodies/optimization fixes.  Also added a remote url checker for the avatar img size, using CURL. So you can use remote url avatars and have a "kilobyte" limit.  Also I have a full blown profile feature where you can edit it instantly with javascript/ajax.... (About me Section) and more....

Oh boy pete, I am just getting warmed up! you don't even want to know how much faster it is vs other ipb versions now do you?  

Also a friend system where it sends a friend request, user can deny/accept add ranks to there names so it shows on there profile (top friends)In order of the rank. (1-6)  Or purchase more top friend ranks with Forum gold....  

Edited by Newman1992, 15 November 2011 - 02:33 AM.

[Michael]

This is not an IP.Board 1.3 friendly site, I'm not sure why you're not getting that.  If you want to preach about how great outdated software is, then you're talking to the wrong folks here.

I've used IP.Board 1.3 extensively and all versions since, it is a joke compared to newer versions.  Go ahead and call that 'False' if you want, it's not going to change my opinion or anything about how this site operates.  If you are set in your ways that 1.3 is the bee's knees, then this isn't the site for you.  We like to use modern software supported by the original authors, and pay them for their troubles.

[Newman1992]

Michael, on 15 November 2011 - 02:33 PM, said:

This is not an IP.Board 1.3 friendly site, I'm not sure why you're not getting that.  If you want to preach about how great outdated software is, then you're talking to the wrong folks here.

I've used IP.Board 1.3 extensively and all versions since, it is a joke compared to newer versions.  Go ahead and call that 'False' if you want, it's not going to change my opinion or anything about how this site operates.  If you are set in your ways that 1.3 is the bee's knees, then this isn't the site for you.  We like to use modern software supported by the original authors, and pay them for their troubles.

Like I said in my previous posts, why do you still have the ipb 1.3 forums still open then? That's the whole reason why I am here?  Cause I saw that section and signed up and wanted to my post mods and it said I couldn't, that's not my fault that's yours.  Why support 3.0 when it gets slower and slower each version? Pointless, should have stopped at 2.0 (ATLEAST), but if you want to continue and have people code for such a slow forum software and if you want to facilitate that, be my guest.  Would like to ask you do you know any sites that use 3.0+ plus that have over 2,000 online/etc? you wont find nearly as much as how many that have 1.3 running.  This isn't a discussion about "how good I edited my IPB 1.3" it's about do you (Michael) want to continue and support 3.0+ versions which are outright blatantly slow as snails is the discussion... This has nothing to do with my "version of 1.3" that guy asked what mods I had so I told him.  I am just sad and sick of seeing Matt Mecham's work go to waste.

Edited by Newman1992, 15 November 2011 - 08:18 PM.

[Pete T]

I am just sad and sick of seeing Matt Mecham's work go to waste.  !! How is going to waste we using his newest version !!

[Martin]

We are developers and designers. Our work is done for the versions with the most demand, and that sure isn't 1.3, 2.0, 2.1 or 2.2/2.3.
People don't use these versions because it's old, unsupported, and you can not legally use it unless you could download it while it was still free, or officially supported.

All downloads and tutorials categories for IP.Board 2.1 and down have been moved to new categories that state that it's unsupported with no new submissions allowed.


Finding installations of the IP.Board 3 series that has more than 2.000 users online isn't difficult.
From the top of my head I can mention http://www.neowin.net/forum/, http://www.diskusjon.no/, http://forums.nvidia.com/ and http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/index.php.

[Newman1992]

Martin, on 16 November 2011 - 08:04 AM, said:

We are developers and designers. Our work is done for the versions with the most demand, and that sure isn't 1.3, 2.0, 2.1 or 2.2/2.3.
People don't use these versions because it's old, unsupported, and you can not legally use it unless you could download it while it was still free, or officially supported.

All downloads and tutorials categories for IP.Board 2.1 and down have been moved to new categories that state that it's unsupported with no new submissions allowed.


Finding installations of the IP.Board 3 series that has more than 2.000 users online isn't difficult.
From the top of my head I can mention http://www.neowin.net/forum/, http://www.diskusjon.no/, http://forums.nvidia.com/ and http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/index.php.

Neowin:

1334 users are online (in the past 30 minutes)
134 members, 1194 guests, 6 anonymous users   (See full list)

PAST 30minutes, only 134members, and  1194 guest's is just packed spiders/robots, you know that right? lol That is no where close to 2k as I was talking about.  Spiders and bot's dont consume barely any bandwidth/etc they're just there to make it look like they have alot of people "online". (This is also based in the PAST "30 minutes" LOL


http://www.diskusjon.no/
338 medlemmer, 1725 gjester, 32 skjulte brukere | Sortér etter: Siste klikk eller Medlemsnavn

This one is a little better, 338members in the past 30minutes, hmmm I wonder how much they are paying per month!  


http://forums.nvidia.com/

29 members, 2288 guests, 1 anonymous users | Show by: Last Click or Member Name

29 Members, in the past 15minutes Really? Lol like I said in the previous posts those guest's are 80% of them are spiders/robots/indexing.


http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/
1172 active user(s) (in the past 15 minutes)
4 members, 1168 guests, 0 anonymous users | Show by: Last Click or Member Name

4Members in the past 15minutes? Why did you even give me these links? They're no where close to 1-2k "MEMBERS" online that I said.




Now let's get to 1.3.


beastforum (It's a crappy stock ipb 1.3.1 (enhanced a tad) (forums about zoophilia) which are gross I know, but it shows:

606 guests, 618 members 47 anonymous members (Usually 400-700 members Active 24/7) That is crazy.


http://forums.d2jsp.org/
Online Users:4,588
Total Posts: 394,441,674
Total Members: 656,742
Newest Member: Nad42
Most Online: 8,094 on 11 Apr 2010 13:06

This board is ipb 1.3, owner just edited it alot and renamed it. Lol Proof:
http://web.archive.o...rums.d2jsp.org/
(Look at the bottom)Based on Invision Power Board v1.3.0...
You know why it's still ipb 1.3? Cause sometimes you can get the exact same error messages from lang_error.php show up, lol (admin didn't get to "edit" those yet)  





http://www.gtaforums.com/
765 user(s) active in the past 15 minutes
544 guests, 215 members 6 anonymous members

Running edited stock ipb 1.3... They even hit 400-500 members on there "peak" Days.





sexnarod (Adult website)
Visitors: 2875 people. over the last 15 minutes 1070 users and 131 anonymous users 1674 visitors
Over the past 15minutes, 1070 MEMBERS!, and 1674 visitors.. IPB 1.3 baby shining where it's supposed to! good work matt Mecham!!!  





http://forum.materinstvo.ru/index.php
2118 гостей, 732 пользователей и 216 прокрались к нам тайно

Note 732 USERS past 15minutes... (This is 2.0) Btw, would never beable to achieve this many online with IPB 3.0


Okay, Like I said, I can keep going on man, theres literally probably 20-30 more forums then just this list.  The problem is you have not even gave me 1 Forum running 3.0 that has an active user base of atleast +300 members in the past 15minutes, (Guest's dont count) (Or search engine indexers... lol)

[Martin]

I gave you two. Neowin and Diskusjon.no. It's the middle of the night in the US, so the numbers Neowin have now doesn't count. Diskusjon.no have 319 as we speak, and it's not their "peak hours" yet.
"Wonder how much they are paying per month"; Who? The members? Nothing. The admins? Nothing. They get paid, as it's part of the big Norwegian media group "Edda Media".

"Spiders doesn't count"; Yeah they do. The same code is executed for spiders, execution time is the same, and they take place in the same kernel queue as members.


Anyway, this topic is going nowhere, I'm done discussing with you. You love 1.3, we get it. We're moving forwards, you're not.
Start your own modding community for 1.3 if you want a place to release your stuff. I'm sure it'll be great, and wish you the best of luck if you choose to do so.


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